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1  Welcome to Fudzilla Forum / Discussion about Articles / Scythe announces new Ninja on: July 08, 2008, 04:25:28 PM

I've used Ninjas for the last few years and loved the sink. It worked great on 45 to 90 watt CPUs and ran super quiet. I started to notice on the upper end dual core CPUs that push 90+ watts that the thermals would rise after a few minutes of heavy crunching. I didn't worry about it until I got a CPU that ran into the 100 to 120 watt range. This really became a problem with the Phenoms where the Ninja 1100 would not perform any better than the stock 4 pipe sink on the 9850BE Phenom. I examined the Ninjas thermal interface plate and heat pipes.
First the heatpipes because they were close together causes a little problem with heat dissipation to the AL plates. This is now changed to match the Mini with the newer spaced pipes. Problem solved (Cool).

The second issue deals with getting the heat from the CPU/Hear spreader to the pipes. On the 1000 and 1100 series I have, contact with the lower heatpipes is not that great which may be an issue. The upper headpipes have even less contact and heat has to transfer though minimal contact with the lower pipes as they cross. The only other contact is trough the metal plate/sink about the pipes but that heat has to conduct a longer distance. This is where a huge performance loss occurs because it takes time for heat to conduct. The longer the distance, the slower the conduction which means more heat builds up at the source waiting for it to conduct away. That said, the upper heatpipes are only secondary dissipation and carry a much smaller percentage of the heat load.

What I would like to see Scythe do it change the interface plate a design where the pipes sit in channels allowing the more contact with the pipe. current contact is about 35%. With channels in the plate, you would see 50% to 95% depending on design.

2  Welcome to Fudzilla Forum / Suggestion / Copyrights and Ownership of news and images. on: March 19, 2008, 02:23:27 PM
I noticed a disturbing trend in news reflector sites putting watermarks on images provided by major companies. Take the latest releases from Intel on the Nehalem platform. Many sites including The Fud are not crediting these details to the source but instead watermarking images and positing quotes without representation of the source. Borderline plagiarism or violations of copyright materials. If Fud sends reporters out to snap pictures of IDF and other shows, then you have the right to watermark your footage. Most of the stories I read here are posted elsewhere but the links are not provided to the details that I want to read. This and other sites are convenient to get the latest stories but lets move Fud above the crowd of echo-soundbite rags.

I'm in the tech field and a lot of up and coming hardware affects what we do in creating future software applications. The Fud has been on top of the latest but please provide the links to general sources so we don't have to weed through all the sales garbage on the net to locate accurate details.
3  Hardware / Processors - CPU / Re: Stirling Engine Heatsink. on: March 15, 2008, 05:26:59 PM
In most cases where a chipset only produces anough heat to run the fan then that needs to be the point where the chipset needs the extra cooling. If ambient temp is 25C and the Stirling needs a 25C differential to operate then that means the chipset will need to rise to 50C to get extra cooling. Considering that chipsets have been running in the 50C-65C range for quite some time then we might see a use. Can is keep the chipset below 55C?

This being the first run, I expect someone will produce on that runs 80-85% eff.
4  Hardware / Processors - CPU / Re: Q9450's SHip march 17th on: March 15, 2008, 05:12:24 PM
 These Atoms will be a hit in the embedded market running manufacturing equipment, space labs and other uses where more than just a simple logger on controller is needed. If Intel has the Atom releases the Electron, I'm sure AMD will release the Quark or Neutrino!

As for a Tua (Tualitin), they where the best cores Intel had until Yonahs. If current procs as Core 2 then Tua a=was Core 1. Pentium was more like the Itanium, just a side step to play with new tech with us footing the bill. What sets Atom apart from the Tua, is a power consumption of 10-15% of the Tua's running watts. At that lower power, think of it as a mobile device that has a C2D brain.

Super PI on a Atom, someone had to do it!. "Now, when can I overclock one?"
5  Hardware / Processors - CPU / Re: Phenom Triple Core B3 on: March 15, 2008, 04:57:42 PM
Note to Fud, when discussing AMD products, the FSB on current processors runs at CPU speed except the Phenom's memory controller and north bridge run at slower speeds. What you are referring to setting at 230 it the CPU reference clock or CPU clock. This is important when posting on open forums and journals as people see FSB and think you mean System Bus. If a casual user looks at systems, they might see you say 230FSB on an AMD and then see an intel advertised as 1333FSB.

I've been following stories on the trikes since announced. I don't see a use in my shop at this time unless they run on older AM2 boards. Currently I run X2 because I've had them for a while and now moving Quads because I need s many cores as I can get at best speed per dollar (including a iQ6600). Where these X3s benefit most is for people wanting a little better office machines, media centers, video encoding and home users that like to do more.

If you see a Phenom X3 with 2N L3 at or near the sub 3 Gigahertz X2 prices then the X3 is going to be a much better choice because all that cache help in most cases such as gaming, encoding, CAD, rendering and big spread sheets. The OEMs see this as a way to get more sales from the gotta have it but won't spend what it costs for a quad.
6  Hardware / Processors - CPU / Re: Phenom Triple Core B3 on: March 15, 2008, 04:39:17 PM
as far as i know using barcelona core will bring Kernel panic to your computer , so as long as it haven't got fixed i won't buy one .
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There are some issues with the current B2 cores but it's hyped more that actuality. I along with a couple of other people on overclockers.com run Quad Phenoms 24/7 on all 4 cores. We run Folding@Home (Stanfords protein research distributed computing program) on the Phenoms and other hardware. If performance is what you are concerned, you may want to wait for the B3 stepping cores. I've gamed on it, rendered scenes, installed Vista and Server 2003 along with folding. As for the CPU crapping out, no, only with overclocking did I see issues with the NB.
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