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91  Hardware / Processors - CPU / Re: Intel's Core 2 Duo E8500 Get's Tested on: March 03, 2008, 02:46:59 AM
How can you be so sure though with this CPU?

Ups.. it's a quad Smiley
Sorry, a bit tired... mixed things up.

I think the process will be better the later the CPUs come out... but of course quads are more FSB limited compared to duals. We got 465MHz out of the QX9660 and 455MHz out of the QX9770.

So you may be right, it will not reach it... at least hopefully nobody is trying 1.70000VCore with air-cooling Cheesy


92  Hardware / Processors - CPU / Re: 45nm - So much better than 65nm? on: March 03, 2008, 01:42:39 AM
Nah, DDR3 is just hitting mass scale production as of early this year.  Consider all the DDR3 modules released last year as merely a "preview" of what was yet to come.  DDR2 has been around since, what, the second half of 2003?  And it is just now reaching the peak of its profit.  We won't see another large scale RAM specification for quite some time to come.

Who does need it anyways? In fact, nobody...


93  Hardware / Processors - CPU / Re: 45nm - So much better than 65nm? on: March 03, 2008, 01:03:04 AM
Well it will get cheaper later.

It will never get that cheap DDR2 is now, besides one year more it will be DDR4 or something different...


94  Hardware / Processors - CPU / Re: Intel's Core 2 Duo E8500 Get's Tested on: March 03, 2008, 01:00:58 AM
I'm still gonna wait it out for the Q9450 - I still have hopes that it will allow for 500MHz overclocks despite the unfortunate 8x multiplier  Embarrassed wish it was at least 9x.

500x8 = 4000 -> easily.


95  Hardware / Processors - CPU / Re: Yorkfield breaks 6 GHz and 500 MHz FSB on: March 03, 2008, 01:00:02 AM
Well yes, but, having 4 cores at 6GHz each on a Penryn (lower TDP / less power) is a great feat for anyone that wants to stand unique in the consumer crowd (example:  "look what i can do with a processor that any one of us can buy!).  It would be the same as if you were a building Legos as a little kid and you built something absolutely stunning out of the same set that each of your friends had - it's like taking the next step in the quest for individual accomplishment.  Wink

It's "my dick is larger than yours..." - I still don't care  Cheesy


96  Hardware / Processors - CPU / Re: 45nm - So much better than 65nm? on: March 02, 2008, 08:49:20 PM
But do keep in mind that this generation of Penryn processors will be the last CPUs by Intel to implement the aging FSB Smiley

That's the sad thing, so we have to adapt the much more expensive DDR3 memory. Angry


97  Hardware / Processors - CPU / Re: Intel's Core 2 Duo E8500 Get's Tested on: March 02, 2008, 08:44:35 PM
Much cheaper than the E6850 which I thought was wierd.

As you can see from the name-scheme, the E8400 should replace the lower parts, such as E6550... there is nothing above E6850, except Extreme, but there is E8500 and there will be E8600.


98  Hardware / Processors - CPU / Re: Intel's Core 2 Duo E8500 Get's Tested on: March 02, 2008, 07:26:07 PM
E8500 is waste of money, it does not better overclock compared to an E8400...

We have already tested them:


99  Hardware / Processors - CPU / Re: Yorkfield breaks 6 GHz and 500 MHz FSB on: March 02, 2008, 07:24:30 PM
Who carez about 6GHz? That's nothing a "normal" user can expirience... besides the energy you need to cool such a monster...


100  Hardware / Processors - CPU / Re: Intel Core 2 Quad 6600 Price Drop... on: March 02, 2008, 07:23:05 PM
Additionally, the Celeron-L 430 is expected to go from $50 to a measly $35, which is a MUCH overlooked processor considering the speeds that I am getting on mine with stock cooling:

The Celeron has a much bader energy consumption compared to dual-core...

So, I would recommand to buy an dual-core anyways, because the addional costs are quite low.


101  Hardware / Processors - CPU / Re: Possibly THEE Biggest Heatsink You've Ever Laid Eyes On? on: March 02, 2008, 07:08:10 PM
We will receive one after CeBIT, I bet you can drive an E8400 without active cooling...


102  Hardware / Processors - CPU / Re: Difference Between Q9450 Part Numbers BX80569Q9450 / BX80569Q9450A ? on: March 02, 2008, 07:06:36 PM
The only advantage you will get with a boxed CPU is a 3 year warranty vs a 90 day or one year warranty with a OEM CPU.  You will have to throw away the Intel fan and get a after market fan for it.

That is of course untrue for EU... we have at least six month warranty (but the meaning "warranty" has to sides of a coin in the EU), but if you overclock the warranty is out of the window anyway...

The manufacture xode doesn't say anything important, more important is the sSpec code.


103  Hardware / Motherboard / Re: p965-Dq6 on: March 02, 2008, 06:40:07 PM
I've got an Allendale 6300 with that board for about two weeks with that board , it was stable with it and overclocked well (after F5 Bios)I've overclocked it to 3.00 GHz with stock cooler , plus Gskill 4-4-4-12 Micron Memory , but the moment that i changed my processor to conroe , everything went wrong and the system wasn't even been able to work at the stock frequencies Smiley . I also used some forums at that time and saw everyone's complaining about this board + my main activity doesn't relied on windows , which this board wasn't even able to work with any distribution of Linux (at least in that time frame and of course with IDE ODD).
moreover it's my personal opinion , I'll never buy Gigabyte ever again , I just love Abit/ASUS/DFI boards so there's no hard feelings  Roll Eyes

As told, I always used E6300/E6400 and E6600 ... no problems at all... at least not with overclocking and so on... but two boards went RMA... one after three months, one a half years later.

You pay much more for DFI... but of course you have better service and and email-support.
About ASUS you can read in my reviews, they are a most of the time a mixed bag.


104  Hardware / Motherboard / Re: p965-Dq6 on: March 02, 2008, 05:50:58 AM
i paid about 220$ for it i also bought a C2D 6600 (it was my first intel build ever ) i was loyal to AMD from K6 , so i betrayed AMD although it was always loyal to me .
(i was just running my opty 144 @ 2.7GHz) btw that Gigabyte board was the worst board ever it have got some sort of stability issues even in stock speed i was also unable to install any flavor of linux on this board because of gigabyte's stupid IDE chipset , so i sold everything and came back to AMD , I've bought 4400+ and Abit Fatal1ty AN9-32X which i changed it with Asus 690G , and I'm happy with it . I'll never get back to intel , even if AMD bankrupts and my only other choice would be VIA C7 , i wouldn't buy anything from intel ever again .
it's gaming performance was superior , but anything else was a mess Sad.

Beside the reboot-issue there were no important issues with the board at all - and yes, I got an 1.0 version :-)
We overclocked E6300 to 3.2GHz. Don't understand the complains. Next time check the Gigabyte-Forum where many people will help you, you'll find memory compatiblity lists, beta-BIOS and workarounds if there is a problem...

To move from one platform to an other is always an issue, because chipsets and CPUs behave different. I changed my system because I do lots of video-encoding and AMD was much slower even overclocked compared to Intel stock clocking... haven't time to wait ... one hour more or less, counts for me. I also feel Windows responding faster with Intel compared with AMD... but that's maybe only my feeling.


105  Welcome to Fudzilla Forum / General Discussion / Re: UK prices are a joke! on: March 02, 2008, 12:03:41 AM
I'm glad Fudzilla keep pointing out the prices paid by UK punters for their computer gear, bears no resemblance to the prices paid in the USA. I keep hearing about how US prices are cheaper because their market is larger. But are we not part of europe which must be considered a sizeable market for any manufacturer. Somehow I think we in the UK are getting ripped-off something terrible, ... someones eating all the pies and getting very fat!

It's not the UK only, it's Europe as whole. You have also to notice in the U.S. the most states don't have a sales tax, so they can be easily cheaper. Also the warranty situation is much more worse compared to Europe, except for most computer-parts - manufacture warranty is always nice to have.

For UK I would suggest to say good bye to the old Pound and adapt the Euro as well, that would take some pressure to all the nice companies which are ripping us off. To be fair, not all companies are doing it... but nVidia seems to be special evil Smiley

Here an example of 1:1 price:
HD3870 is € 159,- now:
in U.S. it's $ 209,99:
So, 1 € are 1.5179 $ (today)
$ 209.99 = € 138.34 + 19% tax in Germany = € 163.62
So, you see, not all companies are doing it.


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