we alredy grew in numbers and we were right about G84 - aka 8600 GTS and GT just seach the sime and it is the same with R600 and the other ATI chips just let ATI talk about it officially and you will see that we talked about the right stuff.

as for tell the whole story we tell as much as we can as sometimes you can not spill it all

very not true K10 barcelona can not do DDR3 as it is not necessary for AMD to go DDR3

dude why should I forge it and I know Frank but Frank the CPUz guy didnt even saw a K10 and he can not possible know what will happen once you plug it

well believe what you want to beleive I showed you the facts

what a crap o poo.

that the biggest bunch of crap i have ever heard.

1) you CANT fry your CPU Intel(and AMD) has thermal shut down diodes in the chips for yrs now. read the stink'n white papers.

YES you can

2) you ever seen a fried processor? i have no way in heck you can rma it it is physically damaged and noticeable. (pre thermal diode shut down)

YES I did

3) Intel nor AMD TEST rma'ed processors, they throw them away. it would cost more to test an rmaed processor than it does to make one, (only costs about $30 a processor, regardless of speed) besides if it tested good what would Intel do with it? they dont sell refurbed chips. could you imagine the press on that?

Yes they do

4) there would be too much cost in adding some type of extra register to even do this (taking up very valuable transistor space) and again see above. cost too much to test

5) if that were true why would Dell (sheesh of all people) be selling overclocked systems.
get off the crack!

because they get the special waranty

i saw that 165.01 but nothing new

F

with a bit better CPU you scores 12000 with R600XT and R650 is autumn if all goes well if not later

ATI has a fighting chance in entry level and mainstream and and Mid may for R600XT

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=472&Itemid=1 pete I guess you missed that Theo used Fudzilla news to backup its story

R600XT is the only to be launched and XTX will be delayed to June or not more. those are the latest news

65 nanos is R650 but it will take some time till you see this card out.

you saw the new one 158.16 brand new and fast but buggy

good to hear that there are some new drivers

On board sounds is usually OK but if you have some expensive 5.1 or 7.1 I think that Creative Labs is the way to go as they have some cheap but good cards

once you go for more than 2 GB of memory you will have to use Vista 64 as the other OS's wont address it. Microsoft already dropped the 64 bit XP.

in at least one tests SPEC 2000 AMD is 47 percent faster but this doesnt means that AMD is always that much faster. at least it has a fighting chance