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		<title>AMD shows off Trinity</title>
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			<title>techno says:</title>
			<link>http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/23070-amd-shows-off-trinity#comment-25046</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Ideally though if BD Zambezi indicates that BD products are going to be competitive then I'd prefer to wait for AMD's FMX socket as this is the start of new socket generation and AMD have a better track record of preserving socket compatibility. @ Blobb3r.....yes my Q6600 is antiquated....but the fact that I'm still using it and it is still completely viable for the tasks I require of it is justification of the care I take in selection of my purchases....just buying from what is available now without any thought of what is just around the corner as you suggest is just stupid.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>techno</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2011 07:22:13 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>techno says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[I think you hit the nail squarely on the head when you mentioned drop in compatibility there Loadwick. I've been put off BD Zambezi by the AM3+ socket....it's the end of the line and will soon be relaced by the FXM socket which is both for APU and CPU future products. Likewise I would not go for LGA1155 at this time even though it promises forward compatibility with Ivy Bridge as a platform it is already 6 months old. I'm interested in getting in on lga2011 on release as I guess that it will be forward compatible with a future Ivy Bridge lga2011 derivative as lga1155 will be and so give a longer upgrade path......]]></description>
			<dc:creator>techno</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2011 07:17:27 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>loadwick says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[ATM, I will see how Bulldozer does, if its incredible and beats SB hands down then i will dive in and buy that as it will most likely be well priced. If, as i am expecting, its more or less around the SB performance then i will wait for LGA-2011 and see how that fares. Again, if that is something special i will buy that but i can't see it being that good. quad channel RAM won't do much and more cache might be 5-10% in some situations. It will have to overclock to 6GHz to be worth the money. So, if both of those aren't great i will wait for IB and probably just get that. High end IBs will be a long way off and i can't see BD-NG coming any earlier than 2013 and we'll have Haswell by then too.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>loadwick</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2011 23:14:58 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>loadwick says:</title>
			<link>http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/23070-amd-shows-off-trinity#comment-25028</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Also, the point i was trying to make about companies saying too much about future products resulting in potential lost sales from today's products is perfectly highlighted by Intel and SB. Just like AMD have done with Llano and Trinity, Intel was talking about IV before SB was out, telling us its 22nm, 8-core, 25% speed increase, coming 2H 2011. So most of these seem to be wrong now but if Intel had either just said Ivy Bridge will follow SB and left it at that then maybe I would have bought it, or if Intel had guarantee drop-in compatibility with IB then I would have definitely bought an SB setup. Hell, i probably would have bought SB if they said IB was actually going to be Q2 2012!]]></description>
			<dc:creator>loadwick</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2011 22:57:03 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>loadwick says:</title>
			<link>http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/23070-amd-shows-off-trinity#comment-25027</link>
			<description><![CDATA[You make some valid points Bl0bb3r. I agree that BD on its own will be a faster CPU than Trinity simply because it doesn't have a hot GPU running along side it. But Trinity is meant to be a 'tweaked' BD architecture, plus i think its at 28nm but don't hold me to that. Maybe there is no 'right time' to buy as you can either buy when something first comes out and pay a premium and possibly have bugs or wait a few months for prices to settle and a new stepping but you are then closer to when the next product is out to superseded what you have just spent a load of money on. Personally, if I bought anything within a year of SB coming out then I would be very disappointed I didn't wait for the 2500k.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>loadwick</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2011 22:37:56 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Bl0bb3r says:</title>
			<link>http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/23070-amd-shows-off-trinity#comment-25023</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Fact of the mater is if you continue to wait for something better to come up and then wait some more for a better price (since only I assume people have deep pockets /sarcasm) then you'll never decide on it. If someone has an old Q6600, then a Sandy is more than enough for an upgrade, considering the chips have gone down in price and the serious bugs have been worked out. That's what I call a smart buy and not plunging at the first sign of expensive Ivys or Bulldozers. Well, not unless the wage is good enough and the wife allows it. But that applies only if one is not an AMD fanboy... and I know that I am pro-AMD and buy AMD but still I give intel merit when they deserve and for Sandy vs Phenom/Thuban on mobile, they do.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Bl0bb3r</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2011 21:31:45 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Bl0bb3r says:</title>
			<link>http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/23070-amd-shows-off-trinity#comment-25022</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Yet both of you missed the point... sure now that products are announced you can wait, but for those a long way away you can't. A BD based CPU on AM3+ now is just as good as a Fusion BD based CPU on Fxx. Don't kid yourself otherwise. And no techno, you're wrong... in all that you've said. First read the post and think. A 6600 is obsolete by today's standards, it still works, which is not the same thing as an enjoyable product, but if you can bare it that's another story. And dumb for saying "low budget" with new products when everyone (except you apparently) knows that new products have inflated prices and later on, when prices come down new products get announced. What will you do then? Wait for them as well? This way you'll never get one.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Bl0bb3r</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2011 21:25:30 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>loadwick says:</title>
			<link>http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/23070-amd-shows-off-trinity#comment-24949</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Thank you Techno, much more eloquently put than i was able to do. If you PC brakes then fine you have to just buy what is currently out but given most people probably only buy every 2-4 years then its important you don't buy a dead duck (english saying). The vast majority of the time you don't even need to upgrade, your new computer won't do anything your old one can't it will just do it faster. I would like to have waited for SB but was too far off so i bought a cheap Athlon X4 and now i can wait to see how Bulldozer does, whether LGA-2011 is worth the money or if IB sounds like its worth holding on for. I am not missing out, i have a quad core running at 4GHz, i just don't have money to burn.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>loadwick</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2011 09:05:31 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>techno says:</title>
			<link>http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/23070-amd-shows-off-trinity#comment-24944</link>
			<description><![CDATA[@Blobb3r..you assume people have unlimited funds and the willingness to spend those funds on every trivial improvement.....as someone that is still on a Q6600 @3.5GHz I don't believe I've been held back by my hardware which is only used for gaming. It is now however time to upgrade...but to suggest buying what is out there now is just foolish. You have to study what is coming in order to make the best purchase for your needs and one that will last the longest. I wouldn't buy AM3+ knowing that socket FXM for trinity and komodo is coming next year. I want to compare the performance of Zambezi with socket 2011 products and my decision will be made on performance and perceived longevity not just a random purchase of whats available]]></description>
			<dc:creator>techno</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2011 07:45:10 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Bl0bb3r says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[You side stepped... it's not about knowing what comes tomorrow, like in the case of Llano. It's about knowing about a certain product that is slated for an unknown period in the future. Basing your purchases on that is dumb. What you gave are specific cases in specific points in time, not really a real world case. True, if you know that Llano comes in a few weeks you can wait, but if you plan on waiting on Trinity, that's an example of a bad decision. While you wait, using mediocre hardware till then, you lose the experience that current gen products have to offer, and the special offers the get. Llano will come, but at a price while the no-so-old product will get some price cuts to clear stock.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Bl0bb3r</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2011 02:18:30 +0100</pubDate>
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