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		<title>Ivy Bridge 22nm on 6 series chipset needs new software</title>
		<description>Discuss Ivy Bridge 22nm on 6 series chipset needs new software</description>
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			<title>thomasg says:</title>
			<link>http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/22884-ivy-bridge-22nm-on-6-series-chipset-needs-new-software#comment-23702</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Yeah it's probably not the right term, especially considering it's a measure of distance, not time. I was just agreeing with madseven that Intel is way behind in graphics. A year and a half is huge in this industry. A year is the difference between a 9800 GTX and a 280 GTX. Or a 3800 to a 4800. Graphics power often doubles from one year to the next (current generation notwithstanding ), a year and a half is even worse. Of course I'm impressed with Intel's graphics, or I would have gotten a laptop with discrete graphics. It's not for serious gaming, but it's good enough for school work, internet browsing, and some casual gaming. And it does all this without consuming much power. When it'd time to upgrade again, I'll pick the one that meets my needs, but I don't know who will in a year or 2.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>thomasg</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2011 00:42:13 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>TechHog says:</title>
			<link>http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/22884-ivy-bridge-22nm-on-6-series-chipset-needs-new-software#comment-23697</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Or maybe I'm just impressed when a company does something beyond their specialty and was surprised that they managed to come so close to a dedicated card? I think that this all really comes down to how we interpret "light years."]]></description>
			<dc:creator>TechHog</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2011 23:08:44 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>thomasg says:</title>
			<link>http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/22884-ivy-bridge-22nm-on-6-series-chipset-needs-new-software#comment-23695</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Intel's hamburgers are perfect! AMD is the best furniture maker, and nVIDIA makes the best toy cars!]]></description>
			<dc:creator>thomasg</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2011 22:43:02 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>thomasg says:</title>
			<link>http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/22884-ivy-bridge-22nm-on-6-series-chipset-needs-new-software#comment-23694</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Wow. How does manufacturing have anything to do with companies like AMD that don't manufacture their own chips? Intel freely admits that they can't compete with current generation graphics, that's why they're not in the graphics business. You'll fight for Intel to the death, even when they concede. Still writing on my ASUS i3. My last laptop was also a Core i3 from Dell, and before that I had a Core2 Duo from Compaq. I don't buy things based on brand, I buy things based on my needs, and I don't blindly follow any brand. I don't make arguments that contradict widely accepted (even by the party I'm arguing for) facts. And worst of all, you probably shouldn't tell people they're wrong when they're agreeing with you.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>thomasg</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2011 22:15:50 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>TechHog says:</title>
			<link>http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/22884-ivy-bridge-22nm-on-6-series-chipset-needs-new-software#comment-23619</link>
			<description><![CDATA[So, now you're comparing TSMC's half nodes to Intel's full nodes? Forget it. AMD's perfect.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>TechHog</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2011 06:11:21 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>thomasg says:</title>
			<link>http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/22884-ivy-bridge-22nm-on-6-series-chipset-needs-new-software#comment-23617</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Did you look at the review yourself? They didn't test a i7 2600 with and without a 5450, so looking at the scores using an i3 2500, there was 1 game where it won by about 20% and 2 games where the HD3000 pulled ahead by 2-3 fps, but there are many more where it falls way behind. In some, like Black Ops, the 5450 is about 50% faster, and in one of the Starcraft II tests, the 5450 was well over twice as fast.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>thomasg</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2011 05:21:35 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>thomasg says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Yes,Intel is ahead in process technology, and they used to be lightyears ahead. But other companies like TSMC are catching up, and they are scheduled to release 28nm GPUs for both AMD and nVIDIA this year. If both companies stay on schedule, TSMC will be a half-node smaller than Intel until they release IB in Q2 2012, when Intel will take the lead back. That's why my main laptop is an ASUS A52F with a Core i3 M370 at 2.4Ghz and Intel HD graphics. stupid comment length]]></description>
			<dc:creator>thomasg</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2011 05:00:21 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>TechHog says:</title>
			<link>http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/22884-ivy-bridge-22nm-on-6-series-chipset-needs-new-software#comment-23612</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Does that mean that Intel is lightyears ahead with die shrinks? The mobility 5450 is actually exactly the same as the desktop one. HDG3000, in terms of raw performance, is about on par. You must be thinking of Westmere's IGP. Here: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4083/the-sandy-bridge-review-intel-core-i7-2600k-i5-2500k-core-i3-2100-tested/11 http://www.anandtech.com/show/4084/intels-sandy-bridge-upheaval-in-the-mobile-landscape/5 Mobility HD 5470: 80 SPs, 750MHz core, 900MHz mem HD 5450: 80 SPs, 650MHz core, 800MHz mem Yes, AMD's drivers wipe the floor with Intel's, which does make a difference in many of those. However, they're clearly in the same league.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>TechHog</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sun, 29 May 2011 19:43:45 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>thomasg says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[First of all, you've been able to buy DX11 AMD APU's since the end of last year, so if Intel releases IB in Q2 2012, it'll be nearly a year and a half after AMD. Second of all, in terms of graphics even a year is light years. And if you think that Intel HD3000 graphics is even close to on par with an HD5450, you're out of your mind. I think you're mistaking it with a 5450M. Even ignoring the missing features (like DX11), some games have 3x the framerate.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>thomasg</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sun, 29 May 2011 19:14:04 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Twist3d1080 says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[We know that the size of graphics unit on the sandy bridge's die is roughly 41mm2 on 32nm. We also know that the die size on the 5450 is 59mm2 40nm. The Radeon has 80 stream processors to Intel's 12 EU's. Most games they are about equal with one beating another in various benchmarks. So they are about the same size when scaled to the same node and about the same performance. Does anyone have any numbers on how much of the die area occupied by the gpu on Llano? I'm betting its larger than Intels. I wonder if Intel would stuff as many EU's as they could into the same mm2 that the Llano uses for it graphics core, and how would it perform? Maybe the reason that Intel doesn't do this is because their graphics done scale up well with more units.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Twist3d1080</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 28 May 2011 21:15:01 +0100</pubDate>
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