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		<title>Ivy Bridge 22nm comes in 1H 2012</title>
		<description>Discuss Ivy Bridge 22nm comes in 1H 2012</description>
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			<title>Naterm says:</title>
			<link>http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/21620-ivy-bridge-22nm-comes-in-1h-2012#comment-15039</link>
			<description><![CDATA[What AMD does with ACP is no different than the goofy "performance ratings" they used back when they thought the P4's higher clock speeds were a marketing liability. They still have to provide Thermal Design Power because no one outside of AMD uses ACP, for anything. You can't design coolers with ACP. You can't design motherboards with ACP. You can't design systems with ACP. It's marketing. AMD felt the need to do this because their power consumption figures compare poorly with intel's on the SPECpower benchmark. That's the end of it. "Total Draw Power" only exists in your head as far as I can tell. The syntax isn't even right, even the most stretched acronyms and abbreviations generally keep syntax intact.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Naterm</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2011 13:22:32 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Thisguy says:</title>
			<link>http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/21620-ivy-bridge-22nm-comes-in-1h-2012#comment-15035</link>
			<description><![CDATA[There is an acronym collision, look it up. AMD markets their processor with TDP, but theirs is the MAX power that the processor can draw, but go ahead and ignore me if you'd like.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Thisguy</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2011 12:50:26 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Naterm says:</title>
			<link>http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/21620-ivy-bridge-22nm-comes-in-1h-2012#comment-15017</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ACP is the metric that AMD uses to market their processors. They still do TDP testing, but the ratings they use to classify their processors are the ACP ratings. So a 40W HE Opteron is in fact not really 40W but 60W. TDP stands for thermal design power, look it up.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Naterm</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2011 11:32:21 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Thisguy says:</title>
			<link>http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/21620-ivy-bridge-22nm-comes-in-1h-2012#comment-15002</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Naterm, you have that exactly backwards, AMD does use ACP, but they don't use that number to list their processors. They use TDP, which in their acronym means Total Draw Power, iirc. Intel uses TPD that means Thermal Design Power. This doesn't mean that this is the max power their processors can draw, they have a separate max power draw number. Check under Newegg or something and you can see that the 12 Core server parts from AMD list TDP as 115W and ACP as 80W.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Thisguy</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2011 04:27:08 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Naterm says:</title>
			<link>http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/21620-ivy-bridge-22nm-comes-in-1h-2012#comment-14984</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Uh, intel still specifies their chips in good old thermal design power. Doesn't matter if they're mobile, desktop or server. In other words, when you buy a Xeon you know what the absolute maximum power consumption is going to be. When you buy and AMD processor, you don't really know. All you know is that it's rated specification is the best case scenario and not likely accurate. AMD's decision to use the less accurate ACP numbers was just a marketing decision. They new the real numbers wouldn't look that good next to intel's, so they went with something else.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Naterm</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jan 2011 22:11:46 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Bl0bb3r says:</title>
			<link>http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/21620-ivy-bridge-22nm-comes-in-1h-2012#comment-14976</link>
			<description><![CDATA[And no, MS can not pick up the GPU and manufacture it.. they had dealings in the past with one-manned IP-owning parties and they failed to take them. What I'm saying is that because AMD made such compromises in the past, they will never go away just like that. They might get smaller, but they will never go away because they still have somethign that works for them. I'm also saying that that profit wise, AMD culd make chips for all major console manufactures which adds to the finacial reports.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Bl0bb3r</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jan 2011 20:31:48 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Bl0bb3r says:</title>
			<link>http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/21620-ivy-bridge-22nm-comes-in-1h-2012#comment-14974</link>
			<description><![CDATA[I see... well, from what I've seen, actual engineers are saying to leave journalism drama alone, because most of the time journalists get it wrong before getting it right and sometimes they don't even get it right... ever! Intel is been using ADP, AMD just caught up because people not in the know, i.e. business execs, are swayed by journalistic drama. Nothing to see here, move along people!]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Bl0bb3r</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jan 2011 20:24:56 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Bl0bb3r says:</title>
			<link>http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/21620-ivy-bridge-22nm-comes-in-1h-2012#comment-14973</link>
			<description><![CDATA[QuickSync might be useful but only with specialized tools... I doubt most consumer codecs and encoders will make use of it. If they will, intel be behind them with cash. Also I would want to know how asured will this QuickSync be in te future or will they make it incompatible? There's nothing more frustrating than to have new hw that doesn't work well with older software. But if it suits you, fine... I'm curious to see what OpenCL could do for AMD in this part of the consumer/semi-pro market.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Bl0bb3r</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jan 2011 20:08:36 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Bl0bb3r says:</title>
			<link>http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/21620-ivy-bridge-22nm-comes-in-1h-2012#comment-14972</link>
			<description><![CDATA[The problem with AMD is that they had to make a lot of compromises to stay in the business, and that is due to intel's sleazy marketing tactics... but for us the consumers it's working. The last thing I want is for both of them to get lazy and expensive at the same time. On the price-killing thing, you could say intel has the capacity but I doubt any of them are willing to compromise on this, because if they will get into a price war intel, a giant, might downsize some of its fabs in order to pay ASML/Nikon for the tools. No, I think they will play the marketing card... heavily cash-infused marketing.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Bl0bb3r</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jan 2011 20:01:33 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Bl0bb3r says:</title>
			<link>http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/21620-ivy-bridge-22nm-comes-in-1h-2012#comment-14971</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Is Bobcat overpriced compared to Atom? The real deal might be in the yields... Also, I doubt a 4 module Orochi could outperform a Sandy X/E in most tests in order to clam something of a crown, be it a tiara for all I care. Because they are the underdogs they will have to price their products lower... what happened in the past with FX and then Phenom I was just an incident, and that thought them something.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Bl0bb3r</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jan 2011 19:51:57 +0100</pubDate>
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