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		<title>Llano ramp up in June 2011, shipping in Q3</title>
		<description>Discuss Llano ramp up in June 2011, shipping in Q3</description>
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			<title>ScorpiGem says:</title>
			<link>http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/21331-llano-ramp-up-in-june-2011-shipping-in-q3#comment-14848</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Well, if Llano comes out with dual APU on die, then that is the one that I will buy. Does anyone know how many pins socket FM1 has?]]></description>
			<dc:creator>ScorpiGem</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sun, 23 Jan 2011 03:46:13 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>loadwick says:</title>
			<link>http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/21331-llano-ramp-up-in-june-2011-shipping-in-q3#comment-12926</link>
			<description><![CDATA[I just think like Bulldozer, Intel should have left some of the range GPU free so that people have the choice of whether they need or want a hot GPU reducing their overclock and not helping them play games or reduce their power bill. PS 800 'symbols' limit is stupid!]]></description>
			<dc:creator>loadwick</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 27 Dec 2010 22:45:22 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>loadwick says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[I can see on-die graphics have their place in the market: low end, HTPC, business PCs but they are never going to be able to play game, proper games at high resolutions and settings so for anyone that will play games a discrete card will always be needed. But even if there is a standard for everyone to conform to where your discrete card turns off when not needed and the on-die GPU takes over, which is probably 90% of the time for most users, i don't see it being that much of an improvement. I have no idea what the idle power usage for on-die GPUs is but AMD have got theirs down to less than 20w and by the time i buy they will be on 28nm and probably at half that again.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>loadwick</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 27 Dec 2010 22:44:28 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>loadwick says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Thanks Nubstick. I have been trying to get clued up on all AMD's and Intel's offerings. Various delays have made AMD's confusing, new CPUs coming out before a whole range of older one. I just wish they would hurry and come out now! Bulldozer will hopefully give some competition on the performance front rather than just the current mid-range bang-per-buck front. I will probably end up waiting for Intel's high-end LGA-2011, unless SB is a massive step up and overclocks like a dream as some are saying, 5GHz on air sounds nice (unlocked editions of course!). Until graphics cards can be properly shut down, no matter what your set up, then on die GPUs for me are just a waste of silicon and producer of unwanted extra heat.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>loadwick</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 27 Dec 2010 22:43:57 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Nubstick says:</title>
			<link>http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/21331-llano-ramp-up-in-june-2011-shipping-in-q3#comment-12899</link>
			<description><![CDATA[I'd say Llano is low-mid, the GPU is speculated at ~400sps. So think Radeon 56x0 performance if memory bandwidth isn't a problem. Sandy is just 1 die.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Nubstick</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 27 Dec 2010 21:04:16 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Bl0bb3r says:</title>
			<link>http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/21331-llano-ramp-up-in-june-2011-shipping-in-q3#comment-12746</link>
			<description><![CDATA[You believe a Thuban is low-end... or even a Deneb? I would say it's for people needing most video services but with casual gaming for normal resolutions. Pretty much most of the market today including businesses.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Bl0bb3r</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 24 Dec 2010 13:04:42 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>loadwick says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Thanks Bl0bb3r, i don't know why i was convinced Bulldozer has a GPU on die, this all makes a lot more sense now! So is Llano aimed a lot more at the low end if the CPU is not cutting edge and the GPU isn't really going to beable to play games? Is there a big performance difference between intergrating the CPU & GPU together unlike Intel's current 'i series'? Is Sandy Bridge still to seperate chips again?]]></description>
			<dc:creator>loadwick</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 24 Dec 2010 11:27:49 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Bl0bb3r says:</title>
			<link>http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/21331-llano-ramp-up-in-june-2011-shipping-in-q3#comment-12723</link>
			<description><![CDATA[LOL loadwick... confused much? Bulldozer will be a CPU, no GPU-on-die at first, this is what we'll get in Q2 2011 on socket AM3+ with a plain chipset setup as it was so far, ie. Scorpius. Llano is AMD's first desktop APU... and it's not based on "a much older cpu arch design" as much as Fufy would want you to eat his dirt, it's a reworked Thuban plain an simple! It got delayed, which is no wonder, it's GF's first experience with such a chip as well and IDK how many GPU's were made on SOI+HKMG before, so several new things all in a new process are bound to make things delay a bit. This one will have a Fusion socket, one being FM1, and will use the Fusion Controller Hub instead of a chipset, in Q3 2011, ie. Lynx.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Bl0bb3r</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 24 Dec 2010 10:17:06 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>loadwick says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[I am really confused with AMDs processors lately, any help would be great. So what i think i know so far, Bulldozer is out around Q2 '11 and is an all new cpu, it also has a GPU in- built and fingers crossed its meant to be an ok chip. Llano is based on a much older cpu arch design but coming out AFTER Bulldozer and also has an in-built GPU. Why bring something less advanced out after the new stuff? I thought maybe it was just a mobile chip and there wasn't going to be any mobile Bulldozers but i am not convinced of that and then i have just read that Llano has a desktop chip, Lynx??? I don't get where the cross over happens? Where these chips are targeted at.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>loadwick</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 24 Dec 2010 02:58:03 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Scootiep says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Beavercreek...heh heh, he said Beaver... Ok, I'm sorry, but I just had to get that out. Some of these names from AMD and Intel are just ridiculous.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Scootiep</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2010 20:23:31 +0100</pubDate>
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