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		<title>Antilles dual card packs two Caymans</title>
		<description>Discuss Antilles dual card packs two Caymans</description>
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			<title>MichaelTurbo says:</title>
			<link>http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/20751-antilles-dual-card-packs-two-caymans#comment-8141</link>
			<description><![CDATA[@Bl0bb3r I thank you for attempting to educate my basic knowledge, but I clearly pointed out that, in the case of criticism on a technical front and related to chip-life, there are valid complaints. It's a leap going from a real design malfeasance, one that detrimentally impacts overall chip life.. transferring such arguments as a tactic to denounce substantive CHIP PERFORMANCE. Why do people defer to complaints about Fermi temperature in a context where it's asinine? I think AMD's architecture both superior, & AMD's marketing & philosophy staunchly more ethical. Regardless, the "Fermi is an oven" blather is old.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>MichaelTurbo</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sun, 07 Nov 2010 04:04:46 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>stoneeh says:</title>
			<link>http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/20751-antilles-dual-card-packs-two-caymans#comment-8132</link>
			<description><![CDATA[AMD will win again. thanks for your attention.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>stoneeh</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sun, 07 Nov 2010 02:46:04 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Bl0bb3r says:</title>
			<link>http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/20751-antilles-dual-card-packs-two-caymans#comment-8111</link>
			<description><![CDATA[@hoohoo IDK, from my perspective and past view of things it seems a framework model like OpenCL is better for the great unwashed, aka. pros/semipros/nonpros/idiots, while what you expect from AMD and like about CUDA, the fine-graining, should be left to the mega-pros-of-all-times, those few that actually know what they are doing. It's a simple model that works in practice and offers less error margin overall. CUDA might be brilliant, but it's proprietary to the green-evil and it's for GPU's only... while OpenCL is for CPU's as well. Also see PissX, they broke it intentionally on CPU "to have" a reason to sell CUDA-ready GPU's to do it properly. I'm hoping they will do it as well, eventually, they have to.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Bl0bb3r</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 06 Nov 2010 14:59:45 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Bl0bb3r says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[No, they haven't... in case you forgot, BFG went bankrupt and its customers were left with $200+ paper-wights because of the very same design mistakes in the Fermi architecture, which I would not call "properties", not in this lifetime anyway. And yes, it seems you are the only utterly-indifferent guy here. The basic knowledge that you need to learn is that a broken chip, in Fermi's case single-overloaded vias, that reaches 90*C+ won't live as long as a properly done chip, in AMD case double-vias normally loaded.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Bl0bb3r</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 06 Nov 2010 14:47:06 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Jaberwocky says:</title>
			<link>http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/20751-antilles-dual-card-packs-two-caymans#comment-8104</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Actually if you have a good case that extracts all the heat produced then you can use it to heat your room in the winter and turn the heating off.Thus negating the power used.The problem of course comes during the summer months.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Jaberwocky</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 06 Nov 2010 12:02:10 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>jedm33 says:</title>
			<link>http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/20751-antilles-dual-card-packs-two-caymans#comment-8102</link>
			<description><![CDATA[But in a reality...less is more... and that is AMD's goal.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>jedm33</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 06 Nov 2010 10:18:29 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>MichaelTurbo says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[I am one of few ATI/AMD fanatics utterly indifferent of the consequences (or better phrased, perhaps, the disadvantage of Fermi's TDP, as most of the critiques stem from individuals whom don't own the product) regarding Fermi's intrinsic heat properties. Granted, it is a relevant factor discussing technical aspects as tech longevity and efficiency. Subjectivity as a personal comfort issue, obviously comes up in meaningful analyses - and so on. Those "risks" though have certainly been taken into account by purchasing users; so, and honestly, why is the temperature of Fermi such a big [censored]ing deal to be brought up over, and over, and over ad nauseum. Again. My trifire 5870 setup hits 90-95 degrees when taxed hard, and I'd assume GTX owners care as much as me: not at all.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>MichaelTurbo</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 06 Nov 2010 09:08:44 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>hoohoo says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[@johnxfire There are reports from fair sources that NV dropped a couple hundred million transistors off of 480 to make 580. No more ECC RAM, no more DP floating point. NV might manage a good card. Lord knows the market pressure in on NV to do so.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>hoohoo</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 06 Nov 2010 07:27:47 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>hoohoo says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[@Bl0bb3r, double precision & co. That would be fantastic - if AMD can back it up with a good programming environment. OpenCL is very nice, useful, but if you are hard core you want finer control. As in POSIX threads or WIN-threads instead of OpenMP by way of analogy. CUDA in this regard is brilliant: API, compiler, and docs. I really would like to see AMD bring something to the table to match CUDA. I hope AMD does that! :roll:]]></description>
			<dc:creator>hoohoo</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 06 Nov 2010 07:24:42 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>johnxfire says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[For real? So we're getting a refresh to the 5970, X2?! Holycrap. D: Kidding aside, I wonder if nVidia still has plans to release their X2 for the 480? I'd like a grill in my computer.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>johnxfire</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 06 Nov 2010 06:06:12 +0100</pubDate>
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