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			<title>owned66 says:</title>
			<link>http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/20438-real-men-still-need-fabs#comment-6054</link>
			<description><![CDATA[not Dubai Abu dhabi (dubai = real-estate) (abu dhabi = foreign investments)]]></description>
			<dc:creator>owned66</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 15 Oct 2010 09:27:58 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>nECrO says:</title>
			<link>http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/20438-real-men-still-need-fabs#comment-5665</link>
			<description><![CDATA[@Bl0bb3r I couldn't agree more. However, corporations, given the choice between doing the right thing and the bottom line will always choose the bottom line. As long as they aren't the ones doing the dirty work and risking fines and/or prison, they will never care. Am I surprised? No. Very disappointed, but not surprised. Personally, I think all of those government cases, once settled, should have subtracted their costs to investigate/prosecute and given the balance to AMD. In the end it was AMD that paid the biggest cost for Intel's actions.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>nECrO</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 12 Oct 2010 00:30:28 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Firephoenix says:</title>
			<link>http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/20438-real-men-still-need-fabs#comment-5630</link>
			<description><![CDATA[You are lost in the logic. Only real men have fabs, that only means that any fab is owned by real men. It doesnt mean that any real men have fabs. So, this means that any other thought about this is "interpreting" what someone else said. But, if you take it as Jerry said it exactly, and not by adding anything else, what he said means "Any fab is owned by real men" or "All the fabs in the world are owned by real men only", and not "All real men have fabs". At least, thats what logic teaches us.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Firephoenix</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2010 20:05:41 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>kid41212003 says:</title>
			<link>http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/20438-real-men-still-need-fabs#comment-5502</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Men DO fab. Only girls don't.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>kid41212003</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sun, 10 Oct 2010 03:53:42 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Bl0bb3r says:</title>
			<link>http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/20438-real-men-still-need-fabs#comment-5494</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Immagine if one of those "important" people got so pissed and decided to split Intel into Intel chip design company like AMD is now, and Intel fabs, a separate company pretty much like GlobalFoundries , on the pretext that the company, as it is today, is too much of a liability to base 80% of the global IT infrastructure on it.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Bl0bb3r</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 09 Oct 2010 13:18:35 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Bl0bb3r says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[But in the case of an alliance or union, things get a lot worse... for intel. As most governments have a saying in this, think at Obama dealing with x86 license of Intel vs AMD, they would not stand idle by, would take the "democratic" vote into consideration, there are multiple companies accusing one single company of illegal doing and of course intel would pretty much be blamed and ordered to stop horsing around or Otellini balls would get cut off. Simple as that. Things would ('ev... I'm starting to use different past tenses) never get as far as the allied to suffer and intel wouldn't have their way unless they want to piss off a lot of "important" people.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Bl0bb3r</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 09 Oct 2010 13:06:29 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Bl0bb3r says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[While Demerjian said that in said scenario the problem would be the client, lets say one would be really pissed that he can't get the intel hardware requested and started threatening to go to a competitor, in a common case, where all parts agreed to stand up against intel, that said client would pretty much find itself out of options since not his supplier nor its rivals would serve him... where do you think the fingers would then be pointed at? One guess and a hint: it starts with i. And intel would just as much suffer if they would be unreasonable since wafers ovens can't just be turned off and the started again. Turn them off for fear of overstocking and lots of batches would be ruined. Expensive mistake.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Bl0bb3r</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 09 Oct 2010 12:58:59 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Bl0bb3r says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[My first reaction would have been either to call some execs from a rival company or to wait and see the offering of the said rival company before contacting them about the threat intel made. If the rivals had the same deals as always, I could suspect that intel made threats against multiple companies, but if there would have been more offerings from AMD as expected, then something would be odd, as in my company would be targeted but not others. The next move would be to make an agreement between the larger suppliers, harassed or not, to "protest" against bulling, threatening and blackmailing of any kind from intel.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Bl0bb3r</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 09 Oct 2010 12:52:57 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Bl0bb3r says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[That's why I said they need to alert the authorities about it. Intel may be big and bad... but EUC and FCC can throw fines at them all day long. And from what Demerjian reported, and the source site which I forgot what it was called, the execs all made verbal deals with Intel, except some of them write internal mails to their boards about the issue, but not even one of them though to ask some of their competition, and I don't believe for a second that they don't stay in touch with each-other, about the worrisome threats intel was "laying down" on the diner table. They just caved in... intel said fetch and they went after the "stick". Good bhoooy... such a good bhoy.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Bl0bb3r</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 09 Oct 2010 12:49:06 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>nECrO says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[@Bl0bb3r My knee jerk reaction to your statement about balls was "Hell Yeah"! but in reality using ones balls to stand up to a company like Intel would only lead most of those companies to even thinner profit margins and in some cases like Dell, no profit at all. Dell and others depended on Intel's bribes... err incentives.. to stay profitable. So while it's nice to have balls and stand up to the bully, it's not always possible.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>nECrO</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 09 Oct 2010 07:23:42 +0100</pubDate>
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